it's the challenger, mitt romney. and that tells you that potential that still exists for this race to be a little unexpected. and i think in that way, romney is -- >> you're saying basically -- that romney has a higher ceiling than the president. >> i believe that. i think that's true. peter hart said it, and i think it's a very powerful and intuitive comment. >> all right. i want to dig into the polls here. this seems to be a game of turnout, margins, numbers, i'm going to throw a couple things up here, fred, very fast. enthusiasm numbers here on hispanic voters went up 11 points from september, october. 57% to 68. voters 18 to 34, 49 to 60. african-americans, 82-83. that is unchanged. what we should point out, though, among hispanics in 18 to 34, those are still lower than 2008. how concerned? >> lower than 2008, but unlike 2008, we still have two more weeks until the election. look, i think, chuck, that's what this -- that's what this campaign is coming down to. each of the candidates, obama, romney, are going to